but snowden is the guy who sparked this huge debate over the nsa. this afternoon the president is meeting with a group of lawmakers about the controversial surveillance programs that collect phone records and emails. they are members of the intelligence committee or senators with specific concerns about the issue. and it comes as momentum is growing against the nsa security agency program. last night the security chief was heckled at a conference in las vegas. >> think what you're saying is that in these cases what's the decision, where is the discussion, and what tools should we have to stop those? >> you lied to congress. why would we believe you're not lying to us now. >> haven't lied to congress. >> hours earlier senators questioned intelligence officials about how the program success run and if it's invading americans' privacy. >> we could have more security if we stripped searched everybody that came into every building in america. we won't do that. we'll have more security if we close our borders to everybody. we're not going to do that. you